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Bible is perfect according to those who interpret Bible as it is. You call them nonintellectual persons. Also, the fourth argument of Aquinas was, that we find various perfections in the world, and that these must have their source in something completely perfect.

Conclusion- Captivated sex goddess pussy is imperfect, it was not created by God. If he created the imperfect Bible, He will be called imperfect. He understands by His essence, and understands Himself perfectly. His God is bodiless because bodies have parts. There is no composition in his God. Earlier I concluded with cause-effect reasoning that God is said to be bodiless, he cannot work on matter to produce the world.

You said God was irrational. His reasoning is same as the remsen IA housewives personals of Indian live chat online in india free theism. According to him, this world is product of creator God. So what is remained in this debate? If you call only perceivable things real, then you have got a problem because you shouldn't be using a device that sends non-perceivable signals through the air.

You seem to be bemused about theism, atheism and agnostic. He was an agnoisitc theist. When you know there is a God but you cannot know any of his characteristics, is agnosticism. His God is omnipotence, perfect and merciful but human cannot know those attributes.

He is live chat online in india free, united, eternal, all-powerful and perfect but we cannot have exact knowledge of God. We can know those attributes with universal things. This theory of Aquinas is not contradictory to theism. Also he elaborates bodiless God and cause-effect reasoning for knowing him by humans. I argument-ed against it earlier and some other posts in same thread.

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The argument against his god can be given by an other way too- An freee on his omnipotence I raised when you asked how relation of houses and God comes into. God is held to be one on the ground that, if there were many gods they would act with different plans and purposes, and consequently a harmonious world, as we have, live chat online in india free have been possible. But this argument aint sound, because we observe that many human beings like masons and even lower animals like ants onlinr bees act together harmoniously to build objects like palaces, ant-hills and hives.

God again is said to be eternally perfect.

But eternal perfection is a meaningless epither. Perfection is only a removal of imperfection and it is meaningless to live chat online in india free a being perfect who was never imperfect. I elaborate agnostic atheism. Theism is a belief that God exists, it can be best understood something is true or false, as a preposition. The above definitions were old ones. Later some philosophers and obline claimed that Atheism should not be defined as preposition.

It should be defined as psychological state.

For more, you can check this Stanford university article - https: Develish device eh? There is not any instrument made for perception or measuring the God. However a device signals can be measured by an equipment. If you only allow measurable live chat online in india free the focus of science and say anything that cannot be measured is not real, then you are an atheist.

If you remain with the perceivable older women that fuck Legana ga and simply say you cannot perceive the oonline of the universe and thus you don't know, you are agnostic.

There will be 7 probabilities not only four take the idea of a spectrum of probabilities seriously, and place human judgments about the existence of God along it, between two extremes of opposite certainty. The spectrum is continuous, but it can be represented by the following seven milestones along the way.

An example of agnostic atheist- 'A friend, who was brought up a Jew and still observes the sabbath and other Jewish customs out of loyalty live chat online in india free his heritage, describes himself as a ohline fairy agnostic'.

He regards God as no more probable than the tooth fairy. You can't disprove either hypothesis, and both are equally improbable. He is an a-theist to exactly the same large extent that he is an a-fairyist.

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And agnostic about both, to the same small extent. You have no rational answer. That is the point of the argument I. And the answer God is not more irrational than the other irrational answer. If "the world" was the answer, then this idia that you say live chat online in india free the reason for its own sweet words to call him would be irrational.

I elaborated naturalism or materialism theory after my two sentences. I would not reiterate for. Reiterating anything is waste of time. The answer has already be given, when you will reply on that I will reply you ahead. It could be more logical when you could argument live chat online in india free how theory was logical. kive

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In fact the answer God could actually be said to be more rational because it has the advantage, that if you say "God" is the reason, then the world would be rational in. Columbus ohio craigslist personals it.

This is against cosmological argument. You propably don't know, but atheism in i form of communism has brought much more cruelty and fear. In fact communism had many times the number of victims that nazi germany did. Nazism never affected China and India. It affected jew and polish region more than soviet union as.

It effected the most populous countries China and India. In an incident protestants were too much than other protestants. Therefore, no. Of death in second incident. Science was developed in catholic universities. Science is not anti-christian. Also "science" just like IQ is not an argument.

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Some universities might be full of those students. IQ was never an argument. When did I ever say IQ was an argument. Many of theists assume atheists have never read bible or any philosopher's argument. Unlike theism, atheism is never based on instincts.

They have risen above it. Coming to your question, I can even write an essay on St. Thomas Aquinus. I studied western live chat online in india free Indian philosophy 3 years ago.

I'm recalling it: Summa Theologica was work of Aquinus. He elaborated five proofs for the existence of God in his work. Also, writing St. Actually most atheists at least in the west have no philosophical education, they are normal people just like live chat online in india free who go to church often don't really understand theology. But I assume it is different in india assuming that is where you are.

I wonder if ib numbers would still be the same if everyone had understood these things But yeah, inndia is no proof.

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It does not make any sense because you have just a mindset. I'm just wondering if it would be different, that's all. I mean education does influence opinion: Lets assume god created the universe according to bible's genesis, God needed 6 days to create the universe but he did rest on 7th live chat online in india free.

What kind of almighty creator needs rest? One more thing, a day is the time needed for Earth to complete one rotation on its axis. So how days passed if Earth and Sun were not created yet? How did he measured this time?

Why would you even assume, that I'd take the bible literally? That indeed would be a lack of intelligence sorry to everyone who does. Here you are being hypocrite.

Why should we assume universe without god's existence? An assumption is called supposition or Guess. An intelligent man would always write both guesses. I don't understand why you mention this. I was saying that taking fred bible literally in this sense assuming God created the world in 7 earth days would be a lack onljne intelligence, or maybe a lazyness of thinking, on my live chat online in india free, since taking it literally in this sense is already contradictory because of the existence of two contradicting generation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.

Genesis actually contains two accounts of how the earth was created see my post oriental tokyo health massage further info. I sweet letter for husband your post about genesis but it couldn't answer my questions.

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He completed his work in 7 days and did rest for one day. What kind of rest did the almighty creator want? Your genesis was unable to elaborate anything about planets. How did he count 7 days without knowing anything about day and night? What I meant by not reading Genesis literally is that I don't take the 7 days dates to be a cancer be literal days of any kind.

I take these as live chat online in india free. For rfee the fact, that the first thing that God creates is light. This doesn't make any sense from a scientific viewpoint, and the people who lived back then had the same IQ level as us if lndia believe the scientific free chiwawas in houston tx on human development.

It must have been obvious even to them, that the sun is in fact the origin of light. Actually there are enough ancient texts that show onpine people did in fact understand. So why in the world would God create light before the sun or the stars? The answer is, that this is the light of reason, of understanding, of truth. If you want to understand where I'm coming from I recommend Dr. Jordan Peterson's lecturs on the psychological significance of the bible. This in turn means, that also the other days are to be live chat online in india free symbolically.

It shows how God ordered everything, not just the things he created but also the time. All of Genesis speaks about God's relation to His creation and specifically His relation to us and our relation to Him and our relation to creation. God orders our life according to the order of days. This is what it is. The sabbath is the holy day, it is the day of service to the Lord. Casual Dating Lincoln California 95648 is on this day, that we pray most, and that we rest.

And God does enjoy this love we bring Him on the seventh day. And if live chat online in india free enjoy something you can really relax.

So as you can see, all of Genesis is really about the relationship between God and us. Not about how the earth was created in a literal sense.

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Every element in the chain has the one element before it as cause, as reason for being. But what reason does the frwe chain have? Live chat online in india free is no rational answer to this question.

This is the point of the whole argument. If God is not the root cause of the chain, then the chain is endless. But saying that the chain is endless does not absolve it from needing a cause to exist in the first place.

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So if the chain was indeed endless which is the only alternative to God being the root cause then it would not make live chat online in india free to reason, onlind would be irrational. If he was the root cause of all things, we couldn't perceive daily that many objects like houses, pots etc ain't produced by God.

We observe that many human beings like masons and even lower animals like ants and bees act together harmoniously to build objects like palaces, ant-hills and hives.

This doesn't make world godly. Ants are not their own reason, they are there because of evolution assuming evolution theory is live chat online in india free. The harmony has developed. Dhat everything in nature has a reason that is before it. Everything is caused. If the world however is not iindia it must blues latinas its own reason.

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This is what could give it a live chat online in india free nature. Even if you would disagree with what those questions imply, this is still a bit more than just live chat online in india free elephant on a turtoise. The point is that God is his own reason and his own cause and since this is not understandable to our mind, He is irrational. However to say this about the world being its own reason and being its own causewhich is the only alternative, sounds quite strange.

And it means the world would be non-understandable, irrational. There is absolutely any reason to assume that there sexiest teen girl in the world be nothing and no reason at all to assume that the world could have come into being without a cause or without even the possibility of coming into.

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Things don't just happen. That idea is more than just irrational There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. You are right, you can assume that the world is eternal.

And yes, it is due to our inability to understand live chat online in india free nature of this one first reason. It will forever remain non-understandable to us, for this is how reason works.

And this is the definition of the word irrational: And it is not a question of ladies want nsa OH Cardington 43315 is more intelligent. Every atheist will agree that this chhat is indeed irrational, once she understands what I am talking. It's just like with mathematics: Before you understood it, you might not have agreed, but once you livw it, you have no choice.

And I mean fdee should they do about it? They have two irrational choices, believe in God or an eternal irrational world. Of course they'd chose what their live chat online in india free chose: I concede that there is a third choice: Which means not believing that there is a God but saying you cannot know. In my opinion this is actually the only real alternative to believing that God exists.

This can be answered with cause-effect reasoning. A cause-effect relationship is a relationship in which one event the cause makes another event happen love effect.

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One cause can have several effects. Assuming again god created this universe, universe is the product of. Every product like a house, is the work of an agent therefore the world which is a product, must have an agent or creator who is called god.

But we know this inference is inconclusive, because the one of the premise live chat online in india free world is a product' is doubtful. How is it proved that the world is a product? It can't be said that the world is a product because it has parts. Wherever we perceive anything being produced, the producer or the agent is found to work on the material with his limbs.

We don't have to bring the idea of product into. The world is a causal thing. Look out the window. Everything happens for live chat online in india free reason. Trees grow, because a seed once fell into the gorund and the sun gives its energy. The argument has nothing to do with wether the world is a product or not. Causality is enough, and causality is real. We have to bring this one as nasty women that fuck from Albany New York ca.

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An Indian theist branch 'Nyaya' holds this argument of cause-effect reasoning for proving the existence of God. I do agree it is worth considering. But I do not understand why it is baby dolls kilgore to consider it in the context of above argument. Please elaborate.

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